The Worth of an Ice Sheet


Michael Tobis and I were introduced some years ago when he linked to an essay I wrote called “The worth of an ice sheet”, about the Stern Review on the Economics of Climate Change. In that essay, I argued that Stern’s analysis, while it argued for more stringent targets than almost all other cost-benefit analyses of climate change policy, nonetheless failed to adequately incorporate the kinds of catastrophic risks exemplified by the possible melting of the Greenland Ice Sheet. The principles of “expected utility” on which Stern’s calculation of optimal decision-making under uncertainty are based require that risk be quantifiable as the product of probability of the event and the valuation of the outcome. Given that these are both unknown – and arguably unknowable – for events like the melting of the ice sheets, there would seem to be a high burden of proof that any proxy for this calculation adequately take into account a robust range of reasonable estimates. In my critique, I showed precisely how “the worth of an ice sheet” (and the probability of triggering an irreversible melting) are incorporated in the PAGE model on which the Stern Review was based, and argued that, for many reasons, that treatment was in fact far from adequate. Hence, if (as I argued) the upper bound on damages was not robustly established, then the lower bound on warranted mitigation – which Stern put at 450 ppm CO2 or (more probably) 500 ppm CO2 – could not possibly be robust either.

Indeed, though it is not what the Stern Review is best known for, it does in fact argue that seeking to stay below 2ºC warming – which requires stabilization below 400 ppm CO2e for a high likelihood – is not economically warranted. As I pointed out in my essay, Stern in fact concludes, without really considering the costs of failing to do so, that we can’t afford to actually ensure the preservation of the ice sheets – or even to try very hard to reduce the risk of losing them. My claim, in contrast, was that the problem was that we’ll never know what the cost of the melting of the ice sheets would be to those who may experience it, and thus it is up to us to decide how important it is to preserve them. In economic terms, it is a question of willingness to pay – ours – and we have not even begun to have the conversation about ice sheets and other catastrophic risks that would allow us to claim to have well-formed opinions about such obviously crucial issues.

One could well argue that in fact the policy debates over emissions reductions, and their current resolution in favor of minimal action, demonstrate that in fact we have very low willingness to pay for reducing catastrophic climate risks. However, it’s also obvious that the political discourse over climate policy has focused on the frame in which short term costs (especially employment concerns) are foregrounded, and long term catastrophic risks are largely ignored. (Among many authors who have addressed this short-term focus of political-economic discourse, see in particular Steven Gardiner’s A Perfect Moral Storm.) Perhaps unsurprisingly, economists like Stern have responded to this short-term frame not by pushing back on the importance of long-term, ethical perspectives, but rather by emphasizing the modest costs and short-term benefits of climate action. Indeed, as I argued, Stern was obligated by the political context of his report not to consider that the catastrophic risks which he pointed to graphically but ignored economically might require either or both a radical reconsideration of the commitment to business-as-usual economic growth or significant global economic

Since the Stern Review and my somewhat less well-known reply were published more than five years ago, little has actually changed in this debate. In the US, the government has adopted a policy for incorporating the “social cost of carbon” into environmental cost-benefit analyses, using models which all are no better (and in many cases worse) than the model used by Stern to estimate catastrophic risks. At least one critique by Ackerman et al has received significant attention, but its approach was simply to use arbitrarily high exponents on a single, highly simplified damage function. This is in fact precisely the kind of “what if” modeling that is necessary to explore the “fat tails” of the distribution of catastrophic risks. Yet it still identifies the problem as one of not knowing what the proper damage function is, rather than on considering the possible impacts at different emissions levels and then deciding how much we wish to invest in reducing risks.

My own view is that we have to consider questions like this from the perspective of the future: if in fact the worst case comes to pass, what will those who suffer the consequences think of our judgment? Plainly we know that we are taking significant risks of imposing catastrophic impacts; do we really believe that our reasons for not wanting to act now to reduce those risks as much as possible would pass the laugh test in a court 200 or 500 years from now?

Michael has generously offered me space here to reproduce the original essay with this preface. I hope it still seems salient to others as well.

The Worth of an Ice Sheet

A critique of the treatment of catastrophic impacts in the Stern Review

Paul Baer

January 18, 2007

The well-publicized headline message of the Stern Review on the Economics of Climate Change, which my readers are likely to have heard about, was that stringent mitigation, consistent with stabilization of greenhouse gas concentrations at 550 ppm CO2-equivalent or lower, is strongly warranted by economic (cost-benefit) analysis. According to the report, mitigation at this level can be accomplished at a cost of about 1% of world GNP, compared to welfare losses equivalent to 5% to 20% of GNP under “business as usual” climate change.(1)

Much less publicized is the fact that the Review also concludes that stabilization targets below 450 ppm CO2-equivalent or lower are not economically warranted, and that even seeking stabilization at 450 ppm CO2-e is probably not justified.(2) Thus, using relatively uncontroversial estimates of the probabilities for temperature rise, the report accepts up to a roughly 50% likelihood of exceeding 3ºC, and effectively dismisses the “2ºC threshold” endorsed by the European Commission among others.(3)

There is a great deal to be said about the importance of the Stern Review as a benchmark not just in the debate about climate policy, but also as a contributor to a broader debate about sustainability, economic growth, and global justice, and as an example of the role that economic argument plays in the science/policy domain. I hope in the coming months to take up many of these considerations, here and in other fora. But for now, I want to focus quite specifically on the key climate policy recommendations, and particularly on the implicit claim that the 2ºC target should be disregarded. And I will do so by highlighting the ways in which the Review actually incorporates catastrophic risks and their “valuation” – the “worth of an ice sheet,” as I suggest in the title. What I hope to show is that those of us who (prior to the Stern Review) thought that such risks justified the 2ºC threshold, have good reasons to reject Stern’s conclusion.

Again, Stern does not explicitly dismiss the 2ºC threshold; but he endorses 450 ppm CO2-e as the lower limit on reasonable stabilization targets, in spite of it having at best even odds of staying below 2ºC and a roughly 20% chance of exceeding 3ºC. Thus, put simply, either:

  1. Stern is wrong that stabilization targets lower than 450 ppm CO2-equivalent
    are not economically justified;
  2. Stern is wrong that cost-benefit analysis should determine whether we try to
    stay below the 2ºC threshold; or
  3. Stern is right, and we should quit arguing for lower stabilization targets that in
    fact have a high likelihood of staying below the 2ºC threshold.

As should be clear from my subtitle, the Stern Review in no way persuades me to abandon the goal of keeping below a 2ºC warming. Nor, I suspect, will most of those who also favor such an objective be persuaded by Stern to give up their “preference” for a more stringent policy. On the contrary, I suggest that in fact Stern himself supplies many of the crucial premises in support of more stringent targets, and that it is only by making a series of necessarily controversial assumptions that he is able to conclude that accepting a 20% to 50% risk of exceeding 3ºC is economically warranted – and, implicitly, politically warranted.

Importantly, I am prepared to concede that Stern may well believe that our best chance of keeping below the 2ºC target requires that we avoid explicitly advocating it. Yet based on my own studies of the likely temperature consequences of emissions reductions scenarios,(4) the most optimistic reductions timelines envisioned by Stern imply significantly greater risk of exceeding 2ºC than a more stringent “crash program,” one which is still possible but requires inconvenient honesty about the urgency of the problem. And, worse, the way in which the Stern Review justifies its conclusions provides reasons for mitigation opponents to argue against more stringent targets.

Stern recognizes that quantitative policy analysis of the “climate problem” – posed as justifying a “desirable” level of emissions reductions – requires incorporating both scientific uncertainty and controversial value choices. Indeed, Stern’s methods are designed to make many of these judgments relatively explicit. The validity of his conclusions, then, depends on the claim that his methods incorporate these factors adequately; that is to say, that his methods for treating scientific uncertainty and “value choices” are “good enough. “ Thus to fairly evaluate Stern’s recommendations requires a careful examination of both his methods and the ethical assumptions reflected in his “value choices.”

Much of the detailed discussion of the Stern Review so far has focused on its choice of a very low discount rate, an important value choice which does in fact significantly influence the results, as noted by several economists who have commented on it.(5) However, for now this is not my primary concern; rather I will ask a different question, concerning how the possibility of catastrophic impacts such as the melting of the Greenland ice sheet is handled in the study. By many accounts including the Stern Review itself, this is among the crucial examples of potential climate risks that climate policy must aim to reduce; presumably the handling of such an example must be “good enough” if the review’s overall analysis is to be considered robust. In what follows, I will explain how Stern does in fact incorporate such risks, and suggest why I believe his methods in the end are inadequate and the conclusions he draws unsupported.

I begin with Stern’s iconic representation of the risks of climate change.

On page 5 of the Executive Summary of the Stern Review is a chart on which various potential impacts of climate change are represented by arrows laid out on a grid of increasing temperature. The arrows are light yellow at the left (low) end and turn from orange to red with increasing temperature; clearly modeled on the famous “burning embers” diagram of the IPCC’s Third Assessment Report (TAR), they might perhaps be similarly called “flaming arrows.”

I will for now look at just one of these arrows, the one labeled “onset of the irreversible melting of the Greenland ice sheet.” This arrow (the left arrow at the bottom) begins (and is colored yellow) at about a temperature increase of 1.5ºC above pre-industrial, is orange by the time the arrow crosses 2ºC, and is red at the tip of the arrow, which just barely crosses the 3ºC line.

As shown, this “flaming arrow” appears with many others directly below a graphic representation of the likely increase in global average temperature associated with alternative stabilization levels for GHGs. The lower bound of the Review’s recommendations – 450 ppm CO2-equivalent – is shown to have a central risk estimate of 2ºC and a roughly 20% risk of exceeding a 3ºC warming at equilibrium, and at the higher bound (550 ppm CO2-e) there is a 50% risk of exceeding 3ºC and a roughly 20 percent risk of exceeding 4ºC. Given this, one might expect that a careful analysis had been done of the associated consequences of taking a high risk of melting the Greenland ice sheet (or causing other impacts whose risk arrows are “red” at or below 3ºC). But in fact nowhere in the report is either the likelihood or the value of such specific and potentially catastrophic outcomes actually quantified; rather the “worth of an ice sheet” (and the probability with which irreversible melting will be initiated at any particular temperature) is rolled into a single, and I argue inadequate, estimate of the “expected value of catastrophic risk.”

And of course it is not merely ice sheets that Stern has implicitly valued in these aggregated damage functions; as shown by other of the “flaming arrows,” it is also the survival of countless species, and the lives of potentially millions upon millions of people, particularly in poor countries.(6) Species extinctions were the focal example of the classic article by Silvio Funtowicz and Jerry Ravetz, “The Worth of a Songbird,” to which my title refers; their article is a pointed critique of William Nordhaus’s famous cost-benefit analysis of climate change and its dependence on irreducibly subjective (and ethical) judgments,(7) and my criticism of the Stern Review reprises the same basic themes. And though I do not here get into the “valuation of human lives” question, it has been a major source of controversy in the past,(8) and it is an issue for the Stern Review as well; indeed, I could equally well write an article on “The Worth of an African.”

Stern is well aware of the ethical issues associated with making such diverse types of risks commensurable, and acknowledges in various places that “value” is plainly not reducible to economic value. For example, Stern writes on page 145, “Our preference is to consider the multiple dimensions of the cost of climate change separately, examining each on its own terms. A toll in terms of lives lost gains little in eloquence when it is converted into dollars; but it loses something, from an ethical perspective, by distancing us from the human cost of climate change.” Yet nonetheless the report in practice concludes that economics does in fact tell us what risk of exceeding 2ºC or 3ºC, with the associated “expected costs,” we should take.

A complete unpacking of the methods and assumptions that Stern uses in estimating the “expected costs” of climate change (and that metaphysical darling, the “social cost of carbon”) would itself be a lengthy report. Indeed it would require a full exposition of what Stern explicitly refers to as “the standard assumptions of welfare economics,” including the never-ending discussionof discount rates. Here, however, as I said previously, I just show how “the worth of an ice sheet” is actually included in the report’s modeling results, and argue that because of the inadequacy of his methods for such addressing such problems, his policy recommendations for a lower limit on stabilization goals should be rejected.

As I stated earlier, the specific risks implied by the “flaming arrows” are nowhere quantified directly. Instead, there is a single number calculated for “catastrophic impacts,” based on a probability distribution for the temperature threshold at which the risk begins, and for the “value” (in terms of lost GNP) if the catastrophe occurs. The parameters of this “damage function” are in turn based on an expert survey done by William Nordhaus in 1994.(9) According to Stern (p. 153), “When global mean temperature rises to high levels (an average of 5°C above pre-industrial levels), the chance of large losses in regional GDP in the range of 5 –
20% begins to appear. This chance increases by an average of 10% per ºC rise in global mean temperature beyond 5°C.”

The results of a Monte Carlo calculation calibrated this way are given in the scatterplot below, reproduced from Tyndall Working Paper Number 91.(10) This graph of 1000 runs of the PAGE2002 model (the same model on which all of Stern’s damage calculations were based) shows that “catastrophic” damages never exceed about 3% of GNP until temperature increase exceeds almost 4.5ºC. Indeed, up until about a 3ºC increase, the possibility of measurable catastrophic impacts appears to be effectively zero. (11)

It is here in this calculation that the “worth of the ice sheet” is hidden. We know from the “flaming arrow” that we have an “orange” risk of starting the melting of the ice sheet at 2ºC, and a “red” risk at 3ºC. Yet this risk must be so small that it has no influence on the estimated catastrophic damages of temperature increase. How small does the probability assigned have to be, and/or how small the value of the consequences, for this to be the case?

Remember, we’re not talking here about maybe just melting 1% or 10% of the ice sheet, we’re talking about possibly starting an irreversible melting of the whole thing, eventually leading to up to a six or seven meter rise in sea level. It might take many hundreds of years, but it would transform the world beyond recognition. Are we confident that this risk is irrelevant in evaluating the consequences of a 3ºC temperature increase?

There are two different points to be made here. The first is that plainly this “catastrophic damage function” doesn’t adequately capture all the reasonable interpretations of the likelihood and value of melting the Greenland ice sheet, to say nothing of other potential “catastrophes.” Thus, it follows that the upper bound on damages for any different stabilization level has not been established. This alone should be enough to conclude that the economic justification for the lower-bound of 450 ppm CO2-e stabilization can’t be robust.

Second, though I can only sketch the argument here, the way in which Stern’s model might logically include alternative assumptions about such values would in practice demonstrate its dependence on contested ethical choices. Put most generally, the model has “parameters” which model certain kinds of value choices (like the discount rate and the value associated with lives, species, or sea-level rise); if you hold all the “scientific” parameters fixed, it is straightforward to see how far which “value” knobs would have to be turned to justify any “optimal” policy outcome. To give an example, I can say that “I think it’s warranted to spend 10% of GDP to reduce the risk of melting the Greenland Ice Sheet to under 5%,” and you can infer from that what my “value parameters” are – but you can’t say that I’m wrong to have them.

Serious economists are not unfamiliar with this problem. Indeed, their typical response is not an unreasonable one: “if you – or anyone – actually did value risks like the melting ice sheets so greatly, you would be doing other things which you are quite evidently not doing.” This is in effect an argument that there is empirical evidence about what people’s “real” values are, in terms of discount rates, “inequality aversion,” “existence values” and other quantifiable indicators.

Here then is where mainstream economics and its critics finally part company.

Put simply, Stern and others look at the problem and say “evidently people don’t value the Greenland ice sheet enough to save it.” I and many others look at the problem and say “what are we going to have to do to save it?” That means starting with the recognition that “the worth of an ice sheet” is something that we decide through a social process – a process which is clearly only beginning, and in which the fact that such a consequence is beyond our practical experience is taken as a reason for caution.

There is much, much more to be said here, but I hope by now I’ve made my point clear: for those of us who think that avoiding impacts like melting ice sheets warrants a high likelihood of keeping temperature increase below 2ºC, Stern offers no compelling counter-argument. There are additional reasons – such as his method for modeling risk aversion, and his badly argued rejection of “peak and decline” (or “overshoot”) scenarios – why his recommended lower limit on stabilization is poorly justified, and I hope to address these further subsequently.

But I want to conclude here with two different points about context rather than content.

The first is that the Stern Review is a highly political document. Its authors surely recognized that the ways in which its recommendations will be used do not depend solely on the quality of the arguments, but also on the interests and commitments of its various “audiences.” And to put the matter bluntly, Stern apparently believes that any suggestion that necessary mitigation might actually significantly reduce economic growth in either poor or rich countries would discredit his argument with the audiences that count. Global environmental policy is still dominated by the neo-liberal consensus that unrestricted economic growth is the solution to whatever ails us, and Stern knows this.(12) Stern’s suggestion that the “necessary” mitigation will only cost 1% of GDP, although high risks of melting the ice sheets will remain, seems to be driven by this political “realism” rather than by the rigorous comparison of marginal costs with marginal benefits.

The second point is that while the report was designed to counter the prevailing opinion that “economics” does not justify even moderately stringent mitigation, the mainstream climate economists who have weighed in publicly have all effectively rejected his conclusion, primarily because of his use of a very low discount rate.(13) Many and perhaps most mainstream climate economists remain committed to using much higher discount rates (perhaps treating lower rates as “sensitivity cases”). Thus those who have used economic arguments to justify delaying mitigation will still be able to find respected academics to back them up, and we are likely to find that Stern’s intervention is not as decisive as it might initially appear.

Indeed, I fear that in either supporting Stern against those who support even weaker mitigation, or in arguing on economic grounds for more stringent targets, it will be too easy to be drawn into a discussion about economic technicalities like discount rates, risk aversion and contingent valuation. The crucial questions are about our ethical obligations to those distant in time and space, and about our ideas and ideals for the world we want for our descendants and for the rest of our own lives. An analysis of Stern’s approach can show that its conclusions aren’t compelling, but the positive case for a truly precautionary policy must stand on other grounds. Developing these arguments is truly an urgent matter.


This essay appeared originally on the “Post-Normal Times” science-policy blog ( Special thanks to the editor of the Post-Normal Times, Sylvia Tognetti, and to my collaborator at EcoEquity Tom Athanasiou, both of whom encouraged me to finish this essay and helped me improve it. Thanks also to Chris Hope (the author of the PAGE2002 Model) and Simon Dietz, who ran the PAGE2002 model for the Stern Review’s analysis, for
their help understanding the modeling work.

1) The final report of the Stern Review and additional supplemental documents are available at .

2) Stern nowhere flatly rules out 450 ppm CO2-e, but his arguments in many places suggest he believes that
the marginal costs of achieving it would be greater than the marginal benefits. In part this is because he
(for, in my opinion, no good reason) rules out returning to 450 ppm CO2-e from above, which makes the
required reductions unimaginably steep. I will take up his dismissal of “peak and decline” (or “overshoot”)
scenarios another time.

3) The European Union (see for example the Environment Council Conclusions from October 2004 here),
the Climate Action Network (here), and many other institutions and individuals have argued that global
mean temperature should not be allowed to exceed 2ºC above the preindustrial (compared to about an 0.7ºC
increase today). None however have suggested how large a risk of exceeding this “2ºC threshold” should
be considered acceptable.

One notable critique of the Stern Review’s conclusions, arguing that it does not recommend stringent
enough mitigation to protect poor and vulnerable people from climate change, is from Andrew Pendleton of
Christian Aid ( Disclaimer: I and my
colleagues at EcoEquity are currently collaborating with (and being paid by) Christian Aid on related work;

4) See Baer, P. with M. Mastrandrea, 2006, High stakes: designing emissions pathways to reduce the risk of
dangerous climate change, Institute for Public Policy Research, London, available at

5) Three prominent mainstream climate economists who have commented on the discount rates in the Stern
Review are William Nordhaus (, Gary Yohe
(, and Richard Tol
( These commentaries are all worthy
of examination in their own right, but my own comments on them will have to wait; there is some
interesting discussion at the Prometheus science-policy blog (see e.g., here).

6) Stern has a category of “non-market impacts” that are separate from “catastrophic impacts,” in which the
loss of lives and species is presumably included. As noted by Richard Tol (see note 5), this may involvesome double counting; however because both categories are aggregated so that neither the likelihood nor
valuation of any specific impact can be determined, it is impossible to evaluate the significance of this

7) Funtowicz, Silvio and Jerry Ravetz, 1994. The Worth of a Songbird: Ecological Economics as a Post-
Normal Science. Ecological Economics 10:197-207, available at

8) Aubrey Meyer of the UK’s Global Commons Institute famously challenged the differential valuation of
the lives of rich and poor in the economic analysis of climate change as assessed in Working Group III of
the IPCC’s Second Assessment Report. His report on the events can be found at

9) Nordhaus’s expert survey was published in Nordhaus, W. D. (1994), “Expert Opinion On Climatic-
Change,” American Scientist 82(1): 45-51. Perhaps unsurprisingly, the estimated damage consequences of
various temperature scenarios were significantly skewed between economists and natural scientists, as
discussed in the original and in Roughgarden, T. and S. H. Schneider (1999), “Climate change policy:
quantifying uncertainties for damages and optimal carbon taxes,” Energy Policy 27(7): 415-429, which also
reanalyzes Nordhaus’s cost-benefit analysis by treating the disagreement among experts as another source
of uncertainty.

10) Warren, R., C. Hope, M. Mastrandrea, R. Tol, N. Adger and I. Lorenzoni. Spotlighting Impacts
Functions in Integrated Assessment. Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research, Working Paper 91,
September 2006. Available at

11) The fact that none of the model runs shown have measurable impacts at a 3ºC increase does not mean
that there is a zero probability in the model. Using my own Monte Carlo analysis to reproduce the formula
used in PAGE2002 gave a likelihood of “discontinuity” (catastrophic) impacts of 0.16% at 3ºC increase. In
PAGE2002, the value of a discontinuity impact if it occurs is calculated separately; I did not attempt to
recreate this component of the calculation. Thanks to Chris Hope for his help with this.

12) For example, Stern writes in the short version of the Executive Summary (in a bold sub-head), “Action
on climate change is required across all countries, and it need not cap the aspirations for growth of rich or
poor countries.”

13) See note 5 above.



  1. So I realize Paul's piece is a bit long and academese for an online posting, but I think it's an extremely important contribution. I hope some of you take the time to consider it.

    It raises, in academically respecatble terms, a challenge to the economic orthodoxy that the interface between science and society is fundamentally economic.

    There's a cute finesse, by the way, in that economics sometimes defines itself in those terms. But it quickly devolves from that definition to a rather abstract mathematics about money, one which really ignores any aspect of human behavior that isn't normally considered "economic", i.e., consisting solely of financial transactions.

    Beyond this, we see in Stern and the like a commitment to "growth" as the metric of success in economic management. Regardless of whether the necessity of letting go of the growth imperative is or isn't imminent, eventually it will become necessary.

    What's more, the idea that growth is always positive over the long haul is baked into these methods so deeply that it's hard to distinguish the outlines of the assumption. For risks that might well decrease total aggregate global economic activity, this essentially enforces an underestimate of the risk.

    Fundamentally, it's a circular argument, and a wholly unconvincing one. If there will be growth regardless, why exactly are we worrying about this?

    How do Stern-like analyses cope with Jared Diamond styled collapses? You cannot always ignore things just because they don't fit into your methodology. Ultimately you must prove your assumption or accept the likelihood that your answer is nonsensical.

    Or, in JMC-like terms, he who insists on doing the wrong arithmetic for the problem is doomed to talk nonsense.

  2. I part company with Stern as soon as he tries to quantify loss of human life in terms of GDP, and I especially object to any attempt to come up with differential analysis of the value of human life by country - so I really want to read a "the Worth of an African" essay.

    The idea that we should decided what to do about climate change based purely (or even primarily) on its impact on GDP is morally repugnant. I would characterize this as "1%" thinking. It matters to rich capitalists who value only their pots of money, and hence worry only about potential risks to their investment opportunities. The rest of us have been convinced this matters by a decades-old propaganda exercise that reports the growth and decline of GDP as our only measure of prosperity. The fact that growth in GDP has manifestly failed to benefit the majority of people in the world is quietly ignored. Closer to home, the fact that over the last decade or so, growth in GDP in North America has manifestly failed to benefit the majority of the population is also quietly ignored.

    And so the farce goes on. Here we see it being used by rich elites to argue they can go on plundering the world and leaving large parts of it uninhabitable, as long as their ability to make money from financial transactions isn't affected too much.

    We need a much more robust push-back on this kind of "economic thinking".

  3. Steve, we thrashed this out somewhat on sci.environment in the 90s, and I came out rather on the dark side.

    I think the "value of a life" is the same sort of thinking that yields the "value of an ice sheet", and that is, it is a sort of thinking that nobody really knows how to do. The conventional economists simply weigh the value of the least expensive life-saving intervention in the country. Some may confuse this with the "value of a life" in some other sense but it doesn't mean it's a meaningless construct. We have indeed all decided that an Nigerian is worth less than a Dane, because clearly we find ways to work harder to rescue Danes.

    Now, in the end, reducing these things to dollars is also awkward, but in a complex weighing process you do sort of have to put numbers to things.

    Suppose an endangered species is at stake. Is it worth a human life? Is it worth taking a year off a human life? Five minutes off twenty people? A few milliseconds off twenty thousand?

    In fact this is the turf we are on. We have to be very careful about how we assign numbers and what they mean. And this must be a social process. But in the end the calculus we must perform will exceed the capacity of the social process, and may well exceed the capacity of any individual person. The best path, or even a tolerably good one, is going to take very careful thought and planning, as well as clever improvisation and learning. But that will require finding ways to weigh competing values.

    Stars in the eyes revolutionaries don't seem ready to think about tradeoffs. But some things trade off against life expectancy. Soil conservation, for instance, or leaving natural gas unfracked.

    So some kind of economic thinking, with numbers, is still required. And some kind of way of valuing competing interests (notably, but not necessarily limited to, human life now vs human life in future generations) is necessary.

    Speaking of passed, past sci.env denizens, to my recollection I was convinced of this unpleasant point of view by the peculiar half-troll Carl Lydick, who had some peripheral academic computing job, like several important climate bloggers do including yours truly. Carl Lydick was a proto-techno-libertarian with a sour but funny attitude. He shocked us all by suddenly dying; we had assumed that like the rest of us possibly excepting McCarthy, that he was young and vigorous and tolerably sane. I don't think the cause ever came out on the network.


  4. I'm reminded once more of Tom Engelhardt's 'rob a bank' metaphor:

    Anti-torture laws were on the books in this country. If [the question of the] legality [of torture] had truly mattered, it would have been beside the point whether torture was an effective way to produce "actionable intelligence" and so prepare the way for the killing of a bin Laden.

    By analogy, it's perfectly reasonable to argue that robbing banks can be a successful and profitable way to make a living, but who would agree that a successful bank robber hadn't committed an act as worthy of prosecution as an unsuccessful one caught on the spot? Efficacy wouldn't matter in a society whose central value was the rule of law.

    Taking things forward from here, if we want to replace the current orthodoxy of looking at climate change from an economic angle, we may want to look at it from a legal angle: at what point can man-made greenhouse emissions be considered a case of reckless endangerment, and so on.

    I think such an exercise in legal scholarship will probably be mostly theoretical in the context of the US, but may have practical uses in other countries where the top rungs still care about the law.

    (Speaking of which, I think the "non-justiciable political question" judgement in the recent Kivalina v. ExxonMobil Corp. et al. case is nonsense. It's saying that the court can't determine the legality of a deed committed in the past, because Congress may change the laws in the future.)

    -- frank

  5. Quite thought provoking. At this point I would love to see it written ignoring the Stern piece and solely focusing on the ice sheet concept. An ice sheet can certainly be viewed in the same way as flood control projects in terms of economic value. They are the frozen reservoir controlling sea level at our desirable level. That is the easier part to quantify. The removal of the ice sheets which are key components of the earths climate system would change climate in undetermined ways. We certainly see the flaw in this current flood control system from the formation of new islands off Novaya Zemyla or Greenland

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