Comments on: October Open Thread http://planet3.org/2013/10/04/october-open-thread/ Website repair in progress; come back later. Wed, 30 Oct 2013 18:54:03 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.5.3 By: Susan Anderson http://planet3.org/2013/10/04/october-open-thread/#comment-47648 Wed, 30 Oct 2013 18:54:03 +0000 http://planet3.org/?p=8981#comment-47648 Interesting article in NYTimes today:

http://learning.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/10/30/text-to-text-einstein-and-where-science-and-religion-coexist/

"Einstein and ‘Where Science and Religion Coexist’"

... we take on the question of the compatibility of science and religion, with an excerpt from a Times Opinion piece written by Albert Einstein in 1930; a 2013 report on a conference between scientists and Buddhist monks hosted by the Dalai Lama; and a video in which the theoretical physicist Richard Feynman talks about trying to find answers to life’s big questions while living with doubt.

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By: Horatio Algeranon http://planet3.org/2013/10/04/october-open-thread/#comment-47529 Tue, 29 Oct 2013 18:17:42 +0000 http://planet3.org/?p=8981#comment-47529 In reply to Horatio Algeranon.

Well, actually that's pretty much a word for word transcription, with just a slight rearrangement (as alluded to above)

"That's not the way the world really works anymore. We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

Oddly enough, that actually sounds a lot like how physicists talk about the "multiverse" and the "collapse of wave function"

Only in the case of Rove (and/or whoever said that), I think "multiperverse" and the "collapse of the Rove function" might be more apt.

As they say, politics is stranger than quantum mechanics.

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By: Susan Anderson http://planet3.org/2013/10/04/october-open-thread/#comment-47426 Tue, 29 Oct 2013 00:30:35 +0000 http://planet3.org/?p=8981#comment-47426 In reply to Horatio Algeranon.

Horatio, you amaze ... things we have not yet dreamed of, in handy couplets etc. ...

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By: Horatio Algeranon http://planet3.org/2013/10/04/october-open-thread/#comment-47359 Mon, 28 Oct 2013 13:36:29 +0000 http://planet3.org/?p=8981#comment-47359 "The problems of the world cannot possibly be solved by skeptics or cynics, whose horizons are limited by the obvious realities" -- JFK

"Recreational Reality"

– Horatio’s (ever so slight) perversification of a Bush aide (thought to be Karl Rove)

We create our own reality.
That’s simply what we do
And while you study, judiciously,
We’ll act again, create anew
Other realities, to study too.

And that’s how things sort out,
We’re history’s actors…and you,
All of you, without a doubt,
Will be left to study what we do,
And fail to do, on climate too.

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By: OPatrick http://planet3.org/2013/10/04/october-open-thread/#comment-47223 Sat, 26 Oct 2013 23:26:04 +0000 http://planet3.org/?p=8981#comment-47223 In reply to Michael Tobis.

No, I was reading too little into it. Flippancy might be a defence mechanism.

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By: Michael Tobis http://planet3.org/2013/10/04/october-open-thread/#comment-47210 Sat, 26 Oct 2013 20:40:35 +0000 http://planet3.org/?p=8981#comment-47210 In reply to OPatrick.

I think you are probably reading too much into it. I am not trying to be cynical (or sexist for that matter, just quoting accurately). I am trying to back up an effort to revive constructive optimism, as ever.

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By: OPatrick http://planet3.org/2013/10/04/october-open-thread/#comment-47190 Sat, 26 Oct 2013 16:11:02 +0000 http://planet3.org/?p=8981#comment-47190 Your quote of the week seems to have several layers of spiked irony to it:

The problems of the world cannot possibly be solved by skeptics or cynics, whose horizons are limited by the obvious realities. We need men who can dream of things that never were and ask, why not?

Or am I reading too much into it?

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By: G.R.L. Cowan http://planet3.org/2013/10/04/october-open-thread/#comment-47070 Fri, 25 Oct 2013 10:31:59 +0000 http://planet3.org/?p=8981#comment-47070 In reply to Susan Anderson.

Disgraceful. But there is good news across the pond: they'll eventually be filling more casks like these -- hat tip Ben Heard -- and

A price of £92.50 per MWh was agreed as the strike price for the project, meaning the government will top up EDF's income to this level if wholesale prices are lower. EDF will have to pay back to government if market prices are higher.

If the shale gas story turns out to have some twists, the UK government may well become an electricity rentier.

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By: Susan Anderson http://planet3.org/2013/10/04/october-open-thread/#comment-46393 Sat, 19 Oct 2013 23:43:36 +0000 http://planet3.org/?p=8981#comment-46393 Another Canadian train explosion, west of Edmonton this time:

http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/canada/story/1.2126678

Dozens Flee Homes After Fuel Train Cars Derail, Explode West of Edmonton
Posted: 19 Oct 2013 09:57 AM PDT
(CBC News)
A CN Rail train carrying liquefied petroleum gas and crude oil has derailed and exploded about 80 kilometres west of Edmonton, prompting an evacuation in the tiny community of Gainford.

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By: OPatrick http://planet3.org/2013/10/04/october-open-thread/#comment-46351 Sat, 19 Oct 2013 17:51:21 +0000 http://planet3.org/?p=8981#comment-46351 In reply to OPatrick.

Seems this study is popping up all over the place now - there's a message in there about how we perceive evidence, I'm sure.

Over at wottsupwiththatblog Richard Tol says "There is no known relationship between climate (change) and violent conflict, so that the best impact estimate is zero." and when pointed to this study opines "That paper is a strong contender for the worst climate paper of 2013." I'd rank Tol as one of those towards the 'sceptic' end of the spectrum who warrants being listened to more than most, but his enigmatic one line responses there are typically frustraing.

Even if there is no empirical evidence, which looks questionable, of a link between climate change and violence is the correct conclusion to draw that 'the best impact estimate' is zero? It seems to me that there are some fairly obvious logical reasons to think that changes in climate will increase social stress and given that there is surely no evidence that these changes won't increase violence is it right to discount this logic?

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By: Dan Olner http://planet3.org/2013/10/04/october-open-thread/#comment-46181 Fri, 18 Oct 2013 20:05:47 +0000 http://planet3.org/?p=8981#comment-46181 The fate of the 30 greenpeace activists currently imprisoned in Russia is worth mulling. Aside from the awful prospect of that 15 year jail term, it's a little warning light indicating how the major powers may deal with carbon fuel extraction and opposition to it (of any kind). As this Atlantic article says:

Putin is clear that Arctic oil and gas will form the basis of Russia’s future economic prosperity, and thus Russia wants to send the message that anybody who attempts to interfere in its Arctic activities will feel the full legal and political force of the state.

All round, we face a bit of an uphill struggle getting this sankey diagram to net zero.

On climate and social instability - an NMA lyric (song here) springs to mind: "Let dreams flow into savage times. Do you hear the sirens scream across the city? We've had three hot nights in succession - the riot season is here again."

Hmm. I'm cheery this evening. That song ends "put out the lights on the age of reason"...

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By: Horatio Algeranon http://planet3.org/2013/10/04/october-open-thread/#comment-46126 Fri, 18 Oct 2013 13:13:43 +0000 http://planet3.org/?p=8981#comment-46126 "Rambler Waves of Brain"
– by Horatio Algeranon

Denial is a stadium wave
Passing through a crowd
An undulating rant and rave
Where reason ain’t allowed

Back and forth and in and out
Like wheat-fields in the breeze
Rambler waves without a doubt
Brain raves if you please

Warning: "stadium waves" may be hazardous to your health. Take precautions: Always wear a braincoat and avoid the urge to stand/sit (or kneel, like they do in church) just because everyone around you is doing it.

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By: OPatrick http://planet3.org/2013/10/04/october-open-thread/#comment-46011 Thu, 17 Oct 2013 13:34:42 +0000 http://planet3.org/?p=8981#comment-46011 I recently came across this review of the evidence on how climate change affects socio-political stability and violent conflict by Hsiang and Burke. I haven't seen it discussed elsewhere, but it looks quite significant to me. Our understanding of how climate change might lead to increased stress and violent social breakdown always seems vulnerable to type 2 errors (?) to me, in that it is hard to imagine how it would be possible to get robust scientific evidence for these impacts. However, this report seems to go some way to achieving this and their conclusions aren't comfortable: "Studies best positioned to make rigorous causal claims overwhelmingly indicate strong linkages between climatic anomalies and conflict and
social instability."

These impacts, in my view, are what are most likely to put the 'catastrophic' into anthropogenic climate change, at least for those caught up in the conflict.

How is it that a report like this can get so little attention?

(I thought I'd better google the study before posting to see how little attention it actually did get - it seems it came out at a time when I was on holiday so I may have missed some of the discussion. Even so the only mainstream media on the first page was this from the Guardian, which is more an analysis of the methodology than its conclusions - and a reprint of a Spiegel piece from the GWPF, which unsurprisingly talks (ironically?) of 'unusually violent' criticism.)

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By: OPatrick http://planet3.org/2013/10/04/october-open-thread/#comment-45993 Thu, 17 Oct 2013 09:20:06 +0000 http://planet3.org/?p=8981#comment-45993 In reply to OPatrick.

I see that Stoat has the first installment of a pleasurably snarky response. Let's hope Dr Connolley has some more free evenings coming up soon.

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By: Mal Adapted http://planet3.org/2013/10/04/october-open-thread/#comment-45651 Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:46:07 +0000 http://planet3.org/?p=8981#comment-45651 In reply to Michael Tobis.

Sure we'll inevitably face ultimate ecological catastrophe, but it's no reason to stop doing your homework.

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