Comments for Planet 3.0 http://planet3.org Website repair in progress; come back later. Tue, 05 Dec 2017 03:55:01 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.5.3 Comment on Utopias in the Anthropocene by admin http://planet3.org/2017/12/05/utopias-in-the-anthropocene/#comment-2592809 Tue, 05 Dec 2017 03:53:00 +0000 http://planet3.org/?p=11076#comment-2592809 In reply to Anonymous.

It's in the original. I'll venture a marked edit.

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Comment on Utopias in the Anthropocene by Anonymous http://planet3.org/2017/12/05/utopias-in-the-anthropocene/#comment-2592784 Tue, 05 Dec 2017 01:48:59 +0000 http://planet3.org/?p=11076#comment-2592784 is the cry *of* all denial

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Comment on Utopias in the Anthropocene by admin http://planet3.org/2017/12/05/utopias-in-the-anthropocene/#comment-2592775 Tue, 05 Dec 2017 00:34:25 +0000 http://planet3.org/?p=11076#comment-2592775 Getting this out of PDF and into WordPress was beyond exasperating. I hope it was worth the effort.

Looking for colour versions of the graphics. Any assistance would be appreciated.

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Comment on McPherson’s Evidence That Doom Doom Doom by Walking Away from Guy McPherson – Discarding Doom http://planet3.org/2014/03/13/mcphersons-evidence-that-doom-doom-doom/#comment-2587926 Sat, 18 Nov 2017 22:11:33 +0000 http://planet3.org/?p=9671#comment-2587926 […] extinction, there is the very strong potential that others who are first introduced to McPherson’s disputed conclusions  and who become aware of his activities in question here, could justifiably conclude that the ever […]

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Comment on McPherson’s Evidence That Doom Doom Doom by terryc http://planet3.org/2014/03/13/mcphersons-evidence-that-doom-doom-doom/#comment-2583474 Sun, 05 Nov 2017 15:12:57 +0000 http://planet3.org/?p=9671#comment-2583474 Thank you Mr Tobis for your well thought out, rational article.

Climate change and its associated controversies are deeply interesting to me on a personal, not professional level.

I find Guy McPherson's self-promotion and assertion of an 'inevitable extinction of humanity by 2030' to be disturbing in its doom-mongering and encouragement of passivity and inaction even as he asserts that he is promoting 'love' and the pursuit of 'excellence' in our daily lives to compensate for the fact that we will be 'finished' as human beings by 2030.

Obviously we know the issues are very real and threaten us, but his videos and assertions are gaining traction through youtube. Psychologically, the effect is one of 'We can't do anything' and how anybody can give him credibility for coming up with dates as if they are set in stone is beyond belief.

I wonder if he has some association with certain elements of power and privilege who can afford to buy up water resources in South America, for example, or have the money to pursue if not actually be able to achieve objectives such as going to other planets through super technology. The psychological message echoing through his pronouncements is surrender to the inevitable.

The answer to such pied pipers of inaction and surrender is to actively promote the the actions anybody who cares about this planet can take at any level. The challenges are huge but the do nothing but accept extinction mentality of Guy McPherson is redolent of somebody with mental issues or a clever psychological operative.

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Comment on McPherson’s Evidence That Doom Doom Doom by Ian Graham http://planet3.org/2014/03/13/mcphersons-evidence-that-doom-doom-doom/#comment-2580993 Sat, 28 Oct 2017 11:20:14 +0000 http://planet3.org/?p=9671#comment-2580993 I echo Schermacher, better to work with McPherson, if he's amenable. Get the tweeking done on the case for NTHE. I and some colleagues are bringing McPherson to Ontario for a speaking tour in three cities. I'll post here after this concludes with observations about credibility and congruence. I'm a 'skeptical optimist' about NTHE and side with those who say brightsiding has been the modus operandi for 20+years. Long overdue action now needs catalysis. More people scared into action is better than a few people scared into depression. Bloomberg himself complains we are not using expected value risk analysis on the climate problematique, like any financial analyst would on capital budgeting decisions.

Check out Dr Ajit Varki on origin of denial in the evolution of our species.

Psychology of climate change denial
- http://envisionation.co.uk/index.php/nick-breeze/196-climate-psychology-alliance-facing-difficult-truths.

- David Spratt Climate CodeRed https://vimeo.com/109577970 "The Paris voluntary national commitments would result in emissions in 2030 being higher than in 2015 and are consistent with a 3°C warming path, and significantly higher if the warming impacts of carbon-cycle feedbacks are considered. Unless dramatically improved upon, the present commitments exclude the attainment of either the 1.5°C or 2°C targets this century without wholly unrealistic assumptions about negative emissions." (http://www.climatecodered.org/2017/10/policymakers-need-to-look-at-real.html)

- Dr Suzanne Moser: I found a useful approach by Susanne Moser in her keynote lecture (Conference on Communication and Environment), "Hope: A Bridge without Railing":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N-IupSicAY&feature=player_embedded. Hope (the word) can be used to describe a continuum from passive optimism (pollyannism)thru active heroic, passive skeptical to active skepticism or grounded hope. If we live in a stuck place between the impossible and the unthinkable, hope of the grounded variety gets us out of bed to do our utmost in spite of great odds. www.susannemoser.com/documents/Moser-Berzonsky_Hopeinthefaceofclimatechange_reviewdraft_6-24-15.pdf

- Dr Ajit Varki. http://cmm.ucsd.edu/varki/ is his homepage.
He co-wrote a seminal book in 2013 titled Denial: Self-deception, False Beliefs and the Origins of the Human Mind.
Listen and read transcript at http://www.ecoshock.org/2017/01/climate-denial-is-human.html.
There is a public talk about the theory in March 2017, archived
https://carta.anthropogeny.org/events/awareness-death-and-personal-mortality-implications-anthropogeny
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Comment on BEST of Times, Worst of Times by BEST is boring – wmconnolley: scienceblogs.com/stoat archive http://planet3.org/2011/10/22/best-of-times-worst-of-times/#comment-2578104 Tue, 17 Oct 2017 16:00:25 +0000 http://planet3.org/?p=719#comment-2578104 […] mt at P3 * Schmidt on Muller via QS * BA * Moyhu * Deltoid is jealous. * RC is […]

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Comment on McPherson’s Evidence That Doom Doom Doom by Dolores Hark http://planet3.org/2014/03/13/mcphersons-evidence-that-doom-doom-doom/#comment-2570567 Tue, 19 Sep 2017 17:49:45 +0000 http://planet3.org/?p=9671#comment-2570567 From my observation, the problem is that it is difficult for people to actually comprehend what exponential growth is - including people who are bright in so many ways. This is my own observation after attempting to explain it's importance to numerous people since the early 1990s after learning about the environmental course we set for ourselves at a SUNY Environmental School lecture.

Now, taking a step back, by way of example, I once was watching four men attempt to load a large, tallish object into a van. I tried to explain how to do it based on the perplexed looks on their faces, but was shushed as a stupid woman - what do I know? After the four men concluded it was impossible and stopped talking - and finally listened to me - it was loaded in a minute or two. Why? Because I happen to excel at Solid Geometry.

So, going back to learning about exponential growth in the early 1990s - I was immediately alarmed and in my own projections of the data, estimated about 2030 was it for humans if we didn't change. I only found this Guy P. online last year and felt like 'finally' a smart person.

Yes, many scientists out there are far too optimistic. Why does everyone focus on where we will be at the END of the century?

What about RIGHT NOW? Why don't the people around me in this community change at all? Ever? Why am I ridiculed still in 2017 BECAUSE I DON'T DRIVE FOR ETHICAL PURPOSES?

Well, at least now my father is with me - a born again christian. He is open minded and now sees what I tried to tell him so long ago. But he still drives and eats meat! Again - as do all around me.

Now I am even in financial distress as I thought my long term plan would work well while in fact where I live has become even more entrenched in their (literally) murderous lifestyles and even more car-focused if that is possible! And only care about themselves it would seem. (I am not currently residing in an ‘informed’ sort of place, like a Portland or Boulder, as I realize other places might be and I know exist.)

After a decade of banging my head against a wall, being ridiculed privately and publicly by family, friends, acquaintances when mentioning why we need to change - give up the nonstop meat eating, airplane flying, and car-driving - and finally even writing a book on how we might actually change with some ease, including economically - just because there were no seemingly sane or rational people around me - I just frankly STFU, found a place where I could live by my principles and at least hope to be some sort of hopeful example that life could still be good without these things that are associated with externalities that are detrimental to the globe at large.

If the US doesn't split in half from an earthquake along the New Madrid fault line soon (as in the next few years) - which looks even more likely now with hurricanes spewing gobstoppers of water on the land, thus increasing said probability - then we can look forward to a global lynch mob coming for the selfish country that consumed without apology a disgusting amount of global resources for really no apparent good reason but for the selfish profit motive. A country full of people who refused to think for themselves and as a result has probably caused far, far more catastrophic damage than a hitler ever could.

In 2017, I am still made fun of for not owning a car or eating meat.

I've given up on the humans. I started using plastic again in 2016 since the oceans are already screwed and we are too. Doesn't matter.

Yeah, hopefully we get those few extra years still till 2030.

Gee, I am SO PROUD to be ‘AMERICAN’

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Comment on McPherson’s Evidence That Doom Doom Doom by Michael Tobis http://planet3.org/2014/03/13/mcphersons-evidence-that-doom-doom-doom/#comment-2570501 Mon, 18 Sep 2017 19:24:38 +0000 http://planet3.org/?p=9671#comment-2570501 In reply to Don Petterson.

I have a Ph.D. in atmospheric and oceanic sciences if that helps.

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Comment on Iron Fertilization Cannot Be A Big Player by The Iron Hypothesis - Emagazine.com http://planet3.org/2012/12/16/iron-fertilization-cannot-be-a-big-player/#comment-2565745 Mon, 28 Aug 2017 21:55:13 +0000 http://planet3.org/?p=6320#comment-2565745 […] International Journal of Global Warming published a study that found that a single round of ocean iron fertilization would result in a net sequestration of only 11 tons of carbon per square kilometer, sequestered for […]

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Comment on McPherson’s Evidence That Doom Doom Doom by Don Petterson http://planet3.org/2014/03/13/mcphersons-evidence-that-doom-doom-doom/#comment-2563963 Wed, 23 Aug 2017 17:07:33 +0000 http://planet3.org/?p=9671#comment-2563963 Sorry, but as a Biology Major I'm more inclined to listen to McPherson than to an electrical engineer.

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Comment on Climate Ball – To Play or Not To Play by David Young http://planet3.org/2017/07/04/climate-ball-to-play-or-not-to-play/#comment-2557528 Thu, 13 Jul 2017 02:11:44 +0000 http://planet3.org/?p=11041#comment-2557528 Michael, You should read the Nic Lewis writeup I referenced earlier. He cites a number of examples where ECS was reduced in some cases dramatically by different (and perhaps better, perhaps worse) cloud and convection models. I don't know what is in people's mind, but if GCMers are like CFDers, they will naturally rule out any parameters that seem to give an "unreasonable" result. They I believe look at lots of outputs to make these decisions.

I do doubt however if one could easily get a total feedback that is negative so I would think it might be difficult to go below 1C. Mosher showed a reference that proves its possible to get quite close to 2C. Mosher asserts that that model matches real data very well.

I don't think GCM's are useless as weather models as I said above. I do doubt their utility for long term climate simulations. I also do not believe they are real "scientific" evidence concerning the real ECS of the system. They are giant machines with hundreds of control knobs. They do relatively sell on Rosby waves and seemingly quit poorly on convection.

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Comment on Climate Ball – To Play or Not To Play by Michael Tobis http://planet3.org/2017/07/04/climate-ball-to-play-or-not-to-play/#comment-2557525 Thu, 13 Jul 2017 00:53:44 +0000 http://planet3.org/?p=11041#comment-2557525 In reply to David Young.

Leaving aside the stuff I don;t understand about BI health etc. I'd like to focus on "current GCMs could be easily tuned for low ECS"

This goes exactly to my point.

If GCMs are as useless as people (including you) posit, my position is that this would be the case, while if they embody real skill, it would not.

So if it is so easy, please do it! Really. I'd love to have some basis to change my mind about all this.

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Comment on Climate Ball – To Play or Not To Play by David Young http://planet3.org/2017/07/04/climate-ball-to-play-or-not-to-play/#comment-2557496 Wed, 12 Jul 2017 17:09:14 +0000 http://planet3.org/?p=11041#comment-2557496 Michael, My argument is that's current GCMs could be easily tuned for low ECS using the cloud and convection models whose accuracy is very questionable anyway. There is also the eddy viscositymodel of the boundary layer. Everyone knows one can get quite different separation patterns and even Bl health by such tuning. This is all often not easy to discern from this literature. The ocean models also have these models.

Have you read the recent big GCM tuning article or Helds latest? These are actually good signs that the GCM modelers themselves are going to do better than turbulence modelers in the future.

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Comment on Climate Ball – To Play or Not To Play by Michael Tobis http://planet3.org/2017/07/04/climate-ball-to-play-or-not-to-play/#comment-2557357 Tue, 11 Jul 2017 13:39:01 +0000 http://planet3.org/?p=11041#comment-2557357 In reply to David Young.

Then why isn't there one?

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